Newly discovered frescoes of ‘fighting Jesus’ challenge Christian traditions

sourcedumal:

magica-tenore-regina:

carpeumbra:

A reading of the Gospel: Letters of Juan 1:31 “And then Jesus turned to the Pharisee and said, ‘Fight me’, and then Jesus threw hands, and the Pharisee caught those hands. And the Lord said, ‘You thought’, and the Pharisee realized he did not know.“ 

Lord of Hands, pray for us sinners who are thought to be wild pussy, and moreso pray for the people who got us fucked up so that they may cease to be wild. Amen. 

@intrinsicallydisordered @blossomingink @and-also-with-yall @papinegro

I’m currently cackling at “And the Lord said, ‘You thought’, and the Pharisee realized he did not know.” 

GOODBYE LOL 

I cannot. LMFAOOOO

Newly discovered frescoes of ‘fighting Jesus’ challenge Christian traditions

medievalpoc:

maggie-stiefvater:

destielhiseyesopened:

umiko-hitara:

poisonpawz:

zftw:

voyagebysexualdiscovery:

Uh oh

wouldn’t that be awkward

Can I get some credible sources?

Here’s one

and another

and one more for the road

Theology nerd side of Tumblr, reporting for duty!

There are roughly five and a half fucktillion extracanonical gospels out there. For the first couple centuries after Jesus bit it, his followers wrote a ridiculous amount of fanfic. There were a gajillion different headcanons floating around about exactly who and what he even was (God pretending to be human? human who got possessed by God at his baptism? human who got promoted to demigod after his death? simultaneously God and human all along??) and lots of early Christian communities ~conveniently~ discovered a Totally 100% Authentic Eyewitness Account that supported their pet theory (and also, proved that their fave disciple was clearly the best).

Big Name Fans argued about all the major disagreements, periodically throwing conventions specifically to bicker until they reached some sort of consensus (more or less – sometimes the hold-outs ended up saying “screw you guys, we’re gonna go form our own church!”) Toward the end of the second century, a guy named Irenaeus wrote a meta arguing that there were four fics worth reading – no more, no less – and they were ones that folks somewhere along the line started to claim were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. This idea caught on as a popular bit of fanon, and over the next couple of centuries it gained so much support that it was declared canon.

So, what’s the point of this Jesus fandom history lesson? Basically, that the discovery of yet another extracanonical text isn’t particularly earth-shattering. Headlines like “Ancient Bible changes everything! Pope freaking out!” are bullshit, but that’s how it’s always framed cause more accurate headlines like “Old manuscript discovered – Historians say ‘Ooh, nifty!’” aren’t very good click-bait.

The actual history and politics of the various gospel texts are really fascinating though (if you’re a huge fucking nerd, like me). In the Gospel of Judas, he’s the only disciple who really understands Jesus, who told Judas to “betray” him. Also, God’s a Glow Cloud. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas has kid!Jesus smite other kids for being little shits. The Gospel of Peter is hella anti-Jewish, but has one cool bit with a character that’s literally a walking, talking cross. There’s a whole book called “Q” which has never even been found, but scholars are pretty sure exists cause Matthew and Luke copied a lot from it.

Seriously, leaning about this stuff made me go “woah, this is freaking awesome – why the hell did my parents’ church make the Bible seem so damn boring??” Well, probably cause all those white upper middle class folks didn’t want us kiddies to dig too deep and find out what a radical, anti-establishment bamf Jesus really was, but that’s another rant for another time…

Reblogging because this is what I live for. As a medieval history major, I got taught first and foremost that we’d be spending four years reading lies and biased half-truths and mythologies. Our job was to find the places they agreed and work the rest out from there. “Do the edge pieces first, Maggie.” I took an entire seminar on forgeries, because so many of the sources historians use to piece together the past are known fakes, but the best they can do is read between the lines or have no lines at all. There’s a reason why medieval historians read farm reports featuring travel descriptions and saints’ lives involving demons-living-in-buckets with the same attention to detail. Every dry history text you’ve read in your life comes from a pile of sources like this, bits of maybe-truth cobbled together with toothpaste and narwhal horn dust.

The moral of the story is be curious, and look for the lies in truth and the truth in lies. It’s pretty great: hello, history, riddle me this.

I want to reblog this as a reminder to people what I’m really working with here, and why I tend to be so critical of those who claim there’s only one answer to the question of what we do know, and what we CAN know about history. To reiterate the above:

Every dry history text you’ve read in your life comes from a pile of
sources like this, bits of maybe-truth cobbled together with toothpaste
and narwhal horn dust.

The moral of the story is be curious, and look for the lies in truth and
the truth in lies. It’s pretty great: hello, history, riddle me this.

The further you go down the research rabbithole, the weirder and more exceptional and amazing and interesting the narrative becomes. What we know about these times and places has been contingent upon the judgement of whoever has access to the primary sources, the dusty piles and the scraps of maybe-truths.

Now, with more and more libraries and museums digitizing their collections, we can all access these sources. We can watch or participate in the discovery of these narratives, which have long been pushed to the margins because those who had power to decide what is and is not “important” about history declined to mention them. Now we have the access to dig through it ourselves, for those who have the ability and the interest to do so, and see what amazing people, events, and narratives there are to be shared that we have decided are interesting and important.

I think that’s just amazing.

snailchimera:

amingusamongus:

ratszchon:

twentyonelizards:

royalpigeon:

prodigalqueer:

mustardprecum:

apocalyptic-genderpunk:

kjorteo:

apocalyptic-genderpunk:

tereziinateacup:

bp-mikey:

nominominus:

just-shower-thoughts:

If Jesus was born from a virgin birth, doesn’t that mean he has only an X chromosome. Wouldn’t that make him female?

wait

TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS

I have taken 3 years of Theology, 1 of Apologetics, and 1 of Anatomy and Physiology and I’m honesty stumped by this one

Those species which are parthenogenic (i.e. self-fertilising, certain lizards, snakes, frogs and fish) the offspring is always genetically/physically female-typical. So yeah, if we were to take the nativity as a scientific story, a parthenogenic human pregnancy (still a scientific impossibility) would result in an AFAB child, and since that child has always been referred to as “he”, voila, trans jesus.

Actually, I think that depends on species? Like, New Mexico whiptail lizards are an entirely female all-parthenogensis all-the-time species, but Komodo dragon parthenogensis always results in males because their chromosome determination is different.

So clearly, to get to the bottom of this mystery, the first question we need to ask is what kind of reptile was Mary.

Tumblr, asking the real questions

Raptor Jesus born of a Raptor virgin.

Merry Christmas, y’all.

@twentyonelizards

*nodding* solid science lads

Sex determination is a complex and fascinating field. As far as I can tell, here are our possibilities.

It seems Mary did, in fact, undergo
parthenogenesis. As stated above, offspring produced from partho varies. For example, snakes have ZW chromosomes with females being ZW
and males being ZZ, so a female can produce male OR female offspring in this way.

In addition to this, some reptiles use
temp-dependent sexing! This means it’s possible that Jesus was a male because Mary laid him in
an appropriate-temperature manger.

And then we come on to intersex conditions. For
example: Jesus could have been XX, but had congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), causing
his outward appearance to become masculinized. A myriad of other conditions could have led to a similar consequence.

So, in
conclusion: reptile Jesus, intersex Jesus and trans Jesus are all viable options, and i support a combination of the three.

Or how about Mary being a chimera, having male gonads (improbably, but not impossibly) surviving inside her body from a devoured male twin, and being self-fertile?

Life, uh, finds a way

There is nothing I don’t love about this.

kjorteo:

apocalyptic-genderpunk:

tereziinateacup:

bp-mikey:

nominominus:

just-shower-thoughts:

If Jesus was born from a virgin birth, doesn’t that mean he has only an X chromosome. Wouldn’t that make him female?

wait

TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS

I have taken 3 years of Theology, 1 of Apologetics, and 1 of Anatomy and Physiology and I’m honesty stumped by this one

Those species which are parthenogenic (i.e. self-fertilising, certain lizards, snakes, frogs and fish) the offspring is always genetically/physically female-typical. So yeah, if we were to take the nativity as a scientific story, a parthenogenic human pregnancy (still a scientific impossibility) would result in an AFAB child, and since that child has always been referred to as “he”, voila, trans jesus.

Actually, I think that depends on species? Like, New Mexico whiptail lizards are an entirely female all-parthenogensis all-the-time species, but Komodo dragon parthenogensis always results in males because their chromosome determination is different.

So clearly, to get to the bottom of this mystery, the first question we need to ask is what kind of reptile was Mary.

wweeni:

apocalyptic-genderpunk:

tereziinateacup:

bp-mikey:

nominominus:

just-shower-thoughts:

If Jesus was born from a virgin birth, doesn’t that mean he has only an X chromosome. Wouldn’t that make him female?

wait

TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS TRANS JESUS

I have taken 3 years of Theology, 1 of Apologetics, and 1 of Anatomy and Physiology and I’m honesty stumped by this one

Those species which are parthenogenic (i.e. self-fertilising, certain lizards, snakes, frogs and fish) the offspring is always genetically/physically female-typical. So yeah, if we were to take the nativity as a scientific story, a parthenogenic human pregnancy (still a scientific impossibility) would result in an AFAB child, and since that child has always been referred to as “he”, voila, trans jesus.

I’m trans Jesus

lauraantoniou:

rembrandtswife:

slushiebear:

ladysansaofcasterlyrock:

shiraglassman:

sparklingcleanlies:

attackfishscales:

agnellina:

tikkunolamorgtfo:

agnellina:

tikkunolamorgtfo:

kuklarusskaya:

teasyntara:

princessxbilbo:

collababortion:

partycockroach:

holytaxidermybatman:

“they couldn’t make the Maximoffs Jewish because they can’t make any reference to Magneto”

did u kno…. magneto is not the only jewish person in the world……

this is bullshit all my jewish friends are related to magneto

It’s true I am

Me too

also me

ok so
I’ve been holding back but I need to tell you
I too am related to magneto because I am jewish so

I feel like I need to step in here and clarify that not every Jewish person is related to Magneto.

Basically, all Jews can be divided into four groups based on tribal ancestry: Cohenim, Levites, Israelites, and Magnetoim. Halachically, only Jews who are descended from Magneto through the paternal line are Magnetoim, although you can become a Magnetoim through marriage. For example, my mother’s family are Levites, but because my paternal grandfather wasn’t Jewish, I was, for most of my life, an Israelite. However, my husband is a Magnetoim, so now I am, as well. When we have children, they will also be Magnetoim.

I hope that explains everything!

Also, if you are a non-genetically Jewish adoptee adopted by Jewish parents OR a genetically Jewish adoptee adopted by non-Jewish parents you’re automatically a Magnetoim. It’s a little known Halachic quirk.

Yeah, the Halacha on this is really wonky, because while adoptees automatically fall under the umbrella of Magnetoim, Gerim are usually designated as Israelites, unless they possess the ability to bend metal at will, in which case, they are halachically Magnetoim by default.

Yup! I remember hearing a d’var Torah on this a few years back. It’s really interesting! 

So, uh, what about ethnic Jewish people who can trace their metalbending back to a Bei Fong on the gentile side of their family?

I think it depends on which side you’re inheriting your ability to control metal from. Jewishness is derived from the mother, while lineage is derived from the father. So it depends on a) if the Bei Fong converted, b) if they were male or female and c) if that side of your family it maternal or paternal.

A ger Bei Fong father on the paternal side would mean that you’re inheriting Magnetoim lineage (see above, re: gerim with the ability to control metal). On the other hand the Halacha is a little confused if the metal-control is not inherited from a Jewish parent, because a non-Jewish father usually makes you Israelite by default.

It IS possible to be an Israelite with metal control abilities– although, IIRC, many such modern Jews of liberal bent feel free to identify as Magnetoim out of solidarity. Some conservative Jews frown on that practice because it confuses lineage and might complicate the situation if we ever end up with a new Holy Temple.

everything about this post is TERRIFIC

I, in actuality, AM Magneto.

@thedamnqueenofhell

@lauraantoniou I believe this is relevant to your interests?

Oh, yes, of course I’m Magnetoim. With a
Sephardi twist. In addition to having a different secret language, the Sephardi Magnetoim have the ability to manipulate kitniyot 8 days a year.